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Phil Hudok of Hudok.info speaking on 1 Oct. 2019 conference call.

This goes back 4 1/2 years,  We started on the state level.  We hit an impasse with the suit that we had against the governor and the legislature which was in the Supreme Court.

We filed a 16 writ of mandamus    complaint against the governor and the legislature and State Attorney General.

When is was in the Supreme Court because of their action we actually amended the case and included the justices of the West Virginia Supreme Court.  Many people know that several of those justices stole, they did a number of (illegal) things.

However when we filed a amended complaint and added them as defendants, magically they told us that they had dismissed the case two weeks earlier even after the amended case was filed,  How do you file into a case been dismissed ?

When you (W. Va. Supreme Court) lie, stealing and kill someone, if you have to, you'll do anything you want.  At that point we were at  an impasse with the State of West Virginia. The state was really in default and dishonor. They could not address our petition for redress of grievances.  So we went to the federal level. The state is actually a corporation of the federal government.  The states are just instrumentalities of the federal government.  So we notified (W. Va. senate) the president, speaker of the house and the Senate president, the US Attorney General and the the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of a list of over 500 proofs of claim.  We basically ask them where is the contract you have with us to do the things that you are doing.  Show us the contract.

You are interfacing with us in ways that you would really have to have a contract to do that.  They didn't answer.  That was in December 2018.  We followed up with a second request and again no answer from anybody.  Really if you think about it since the government is really a corporation, it  can't be government of and for the people.  A corporation is a non-living thing.  We are living people.  How do you interface between the living with the dead.

I know Ted understands that when ever you go to court, they want you to get a lawyer and you end up declaring yourself to be incompetent.  If you don't want to get a lawyer, then they say well you are going to represent yourself.  

You don't have to represent yourself if you are yourself.  A representation is something less than the real thing. At all levels of interactions between us and the government, we did not have attorneys.  We did all the legal actions ourselves. At the state level, we had to correct them every time they said well you are representing yourself because what they want you to do is enter into their realm and so after three times at the federal level of demanding that they show us the contract, or in this case, it certainly should be multiple contracts for the different things they do.  They didn't answer so we went to arbitration.

There is a Federal Arbitration Act created back in the 1920s which is where  when a man or woman has a problem with the government, you follow the rules of the of the Federal Arbitration Act.  You have to find a third neutral party, you can contract them to look at both sides of the situation.  The arbitrator comes up with the decision.  [This process of arbitration] was just tested in the Supreme Court of America.

Kavanaugh wrote the opinion that indeed arbitration for civil rights violations still stands and carries full weight.   So we went to an arbitrator.  We presented all the paperwork, all the claims we had made and all the proofs of service.  We had done a bank notary to which the defendants, Trump and all, would have to have replied another to us via a notary.

We got from the notary an affidavit that there was never a reply to us.

So we basically, we dotted our Is, crossed our Ts.  The arbitrator ruled that we were totally in the right and the government is now ordered to make remedy. The remedies are to return any anything that they have [taken] of us whether it be taking your children or they have money in a trust which, you may know, we are collateral for the national debt.  They actually do that through putting money in a cestui que trust

We have indemnity from their court system.  In other words they can't interface with us which basically means you don't pay income tax for unconstitutional wars and abortions and all the things that most people, if they have the choice, wouldn't support anyway.

 Basically everything we ask for him for proof that we are not to be detained or harass in anyway by any liberal government.  So, if you want to drive without a license, if you want to carry a gun without permit, you're basically like a diplomat.  A diplomat doesn't interface with the government.  Because of what we did, through this arbitration, the government is ordered not to [interface, but to] Basically [they must] give us diplomatic immunity.  This is the same thing [as diplomatic immunity].  It's just not going to be called that.

The award was actually issued to me.

Originally there were five people involved.  There was a misconception that that everyone of the five would receive the award.  However it [the award] is Qui Tam, which means it was an action taken on behalf of all the people.

I'm really boiling things down.  It would take more than a book to really put across everything that happened and how it happened and why it happened.

 How do you enforce this ?  You can in  any one of three ways.  I will be filing this [order] into the public record in northern district West Virginia Federal Court this week just tp put it on the record.

Enforcement can be done by all three branches of the government.  You can do it in the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court could enforced the order.  The Congress could pass a bill on the private side.  The [US] president could pass an executive order to fulfill the demand from the arbitrator.

In this case, were not going into the court system that would be the last place well we would not even go there.

We'll probably go to the legislature.  We plan to be there [DC] the week before Thanksgiving.  We have several ways of getting information to the president to request an executive order.  My personal opinion, I'd rather go Executive Order.  This would be a way for Trump to fulfill a campaign promising [that] he wanted to restore the sovereignty of the people.  This is basically restoring the sovereignty of the people. 

So what does it all mean?  Well it does not cost anything to opt in.  You simply fill out a paper, an opt in form, and send it to me.  You scan it, you email it and then you send the physical copy to me.  I will be taking the physical copies when we, as many we can [gather] possibly go to Washington DC to our legislators to demand a bill on the private side to rectify this problem for a settlement.  The digital will be put on digital disc and it will be presented.  That's how it will be presented but for show it's going to be hopefully thousands and thousands of papers.  Hopefully it will take more than one person to carry them.

 Most people are afraid of the government.  They see what's happen to people in the past.  However no one's ever had an order issued like this.  In other words, people try to do things and no one had an actual order in hand.  It's using their own system.  A lot of people probably did good things [devising other solutions to step out of government control] but I think they're [US gov. in Wash. DC is] going to have a hard really hard time with this one.  I have two questions: when you do this in arbitration, doesn't the other party have to agree to it so that you're sort of in a contractor to do whatever the arbitrator decides?  No.

[You would have to have both parties agree if it is a dispute between private parties or companies.] But the National Arbitration Act states that you do not have to have their [federal gov.] agreement for arbitration.

Second question: How did you choose an arbitrator and who did you choose?

We found a company in Texas called FAA Limited.  They do arbitration.  They've done over 500.  That's what they do.  It's a business and interestingly enough, do arbitrators have to be certified?  The answer is no, not at all.  Ted Elden could be an arbitrator between two parties as long as he is has no relationship with either party.  If the government did certify arbitrators, you would never win an arbitration.

Ted was an architect and was an arbitrator for the Arbitrators for the Am. Inst. of Architects.

Could you give me something more specific to locate this Arbitration Act, its name or date or where to find further information about it.

You can do if you go to Hudok.info

You go to it.  On the homepage page go to where it says  

9/30/2019 important arbitration update. click on that which takes you to a page that has towards the bottom, about the fourth one up where it says click and there's a bunch of blue clicks Kavanaugh justices back arbitration.

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That is that's actually an article about the Arbitration Act, about the Supreme Court test / case it just had.  

There is an article that you can access there.

If you go to the next one, that's an actual arbitration award that was granted by a bill on the private side in Congress 2016.  It was an arbitration that was won by one person an award.  When that person went for settlement, Senator Rand Paul is the one who sponsored the 2016 arbitration that you can see there if you click on that. There were 20 some opt ins who were released from prison and were awarded money for unlawful incarceration because pretty much everybody in prison was put their unlawfully.  They proved it in an arbitration ruling.  That was in 2016.  What you see there is from the government's printing office which actually shows the award which was quite substantial. I mean they got millions of dollars.  If you incarcerate someone improperly the fine can be quite substantial.

You can forget the court system because you're not going to get anywhere there [with courts].

Arbitration has worked.  As matter of fact in the earlier part of the country, the Congress actually passed … Arbitration goes back to the 1920s.

But as far as enforcement, you're much better off to go to Congress and to try to get enforcement through the court system.  In the 1800s there are more laws on the private side correcting abuses by government than were civil bills on the public side, that basically tie your hands and make the government more powerful.

We exhausted all other avenues.  If we [had not] came across this 2016 arbitration case we probably wouldn't even known about going that route.  We didn't know about it [arbitration]  Most people know about the bills on the private side and most people don't understand the National Arbitration Act and what arbitration is.

In some situations, you have to have an agreement for arbitration but why would the government agree to arbitration?  So that's why the National Arbitration Act say they don't have to agree but you have to go through all the hoops.  You have to pay for the arbitration.  That's why we were very diligently.

For instance, our first proof of claims sent to the government, we paid $50 apiece to have them hand delivered by a service company that serves documents  in Washington DC.

Some people wouldn't actually accept the

paperwork and the service.

The person making the service would tape it to their door and take a picture of it there showing  it had been served.  There has been a lot of sweat and tears.  I think it is providential [that we finished].  There were many times we should or could have quit when we thought we were up against insurmountable obstacles.

We always continued.  I spent over $700 in certified mail [fees].

I did ask for a payment on that, but the arbitrator did not rule [ on that].

 for that but then the arbitrator did not rule.

Other than the Cestui que via Trust which we don't know how much is in it, no one knows.

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We will find out

[Phil] I was a high school physics chemistry and biology teacher

Phil, what you presented is phenomenal to take the complexity what you've done in the make it so tangible that we might understand it.  I think you ever so much for doing that.  So we should read the documents on the site and find the forms you're suggesting if we would like to join in this endeavor correct?

That is correct.  There's going to be a number of interviews.  I don't know if you ever heard of a show called Able Danger. I'm going to be on that for probably about 4 or 5 hours on Monday, October 7.  I'll post these things on my website for people if they want to watch live in a chat room.  I know Field McConnell.  I'll be right it'll be at 2 o'clock on Tuesday I'll be Live Streaming also from my house on Sunday.  I'll put the lifestream link there. I'll be doing a one-hour presentation.  If you look at the last two links on my website right now, I did do a 20 minute kind of an overview of the arbitration award and process.  I'm going to do a one hour more difficult video on this Sunday. I'll be doing an interview with the State of the Nation.  They supposedly have about 1.5 million circulation.  I've got a couple radio shows that are in the works.  The problem is getting the word out, explaining it, having people break the paradigm that government is God and that you can't win.

 We've been conditioned to accept failure and to relinquish our God-given uniqueness and rights to a bogus, unlawful law breaking government. I refuse that.  I believe I'm my brother's keeper.  From the very beginning this Qui Tam.  It is not to be for a few is the big picture.

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Originally when people stood when a judge entered the court room, it was because he was carrying  a bible over his head.  They were standing in reverence to the bible, the truly supreme law which supersedes all law.

The courts are the branch of the government that is most corrupt.  That is why we would not try to get a settlement in court.

We will go to the congress or president.

It's just sad that the there's so many improprieties in the world today.

It all boils down to a moral decline.

This country is supposed to be a self-governing people but without a moral conscious and a moral code and ethics and it everything government can't possibly work because it's made of people who are not very moral.  That's why we why we're seeing what we're saying.

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The churches have become incorporated into, in contract with the government.  They are supposed to NOT be.  The founding fathers of this country what it was it was it was it was a no they were immoral people who were perfect but they certainly were a strong people who insisted on truth and justice.

 and well-adjusted coming father of the donning and a great I want to hear something that's interesting just a little interesting thing on the side one of the things that was in the original case in West Virginia was that article section 47 of the West Virginia Constitution says the churches are prevented from incorporating.  Churches cannot incorporate yet they are incorporated no I was in Ohio I pleaded with the Attorney General I pleaded with the County commission and it went all the way the Supreme Court in the course they they dismissed Phaya focus in a bogus way they dismissed the case anyway in West Virginia churches are not to be incorporated it's illegal for them to Incorporated which is a good thing now

Brent Robinson I was I was on the ballot for U.S. Senate. I was on the ballot for governor Bayport all kinds of shenanigans I wish I was actually thrown off the ballot even though I had valid access for governor I had to go to federal court.  I was reinstated back onto the ballot but they pulled all kinds of shenanigans but interestingly I'm going to be I am on the ballot in West Virginia in that county for sure so I will be ready for sheriff and 2020 and one of them but I will do which.

 but nobody in government would do if I'm going to enforce the rule of law the Constitution the supreme law of the land and tell churches they have to unincorporated but they can't be reverberated or they will be in trouble with the sheriff and not to hurt them they shouldn't be incorporated as a matter fact they don't need a corporation they shouldn't be incorporated so I'm actually doing them a favor I want if I want to tell them.

 What you're going to unincorporated guess what I'm the supreme law enforcement officer in Randolph County and that little government did not going to come into our county and do anything to you the federal government have to go to the sheriff and asked me Seps what will age section 1481 that title & section when a bumper covers both , he loses all relinquishes as US citizenship

I bet that is true that is that is absolutely true another words well what I plan to do is well what I plan to do is when I take the oath of office I planned actually changes in a course that's going to cause all kinds of problems but yeah and I'll be allowed to the police officers a magistrate Battistoni okay Belfon and they have a principal.  That's correct. Nayyar for an agent that is correct Neander for an agent you are right – preregister with pop off 1938 as amended foreign agents registration act

I like the northern economic bond agent registration act passed by the Congress send out I've never met anybody, who is a registered on from OMB:1124.1000, 1001

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And they want to have to file arbitrary statement

None of them not one okay got one yeah we looked at the corporate structures okay it it's amazing because we had someone I have a membership with Dun & Bradstreet and you can actually it cost a lot of money to be able to really look into corporations but we found out that the Supreme Court of West Virginia is incorporated the governors offices Incorporated judges are incorporated it's amazing in all attorneys in West Virginia are some corporations of the West Virginia Supreme Court which is a sub corporation of the US Supreme Court so it's all mine together and so one big mess yet and more according to the missing 13th amendment our attorneys cannot hold a public office

but I'll do the Obama got away and make it eccentric terms of nobility like a square audibility act they cannot and yet we don't have judges in the country dog magistrate and Adagia did not issue the warrant and down on the real deal so I don't know why I live in Oregon or 133.43 and I do not human with the whole thing may go to the magic chamber calling the magistrate if you're on earth when the judge entered brainwashing of other people to realize that originally when people stood when the judge entered the court room it was because he was carrying a Bible over his head and so they were standing in reference in reference to the Bible the supreme truly supreme law okay.

 the problem is people are brainwashed and definitely the branch of the government that is most corrupted is the courts and that's why we would not try to get a settlement in court we will go to college or the president the magistrate has scheduled a hearing I always letting me avoid the judgment yeah I see it's important.

 it every time the they either address banding we're always countering everything they said and putting it on the record that we weren't expecting them playing their little games with us

Do any of you have had any of you being any of the other any of the organizations around the country who are trying to reinstate our original country others appears to restore the Republic there are several there's not just whatever we're trying to animal-rights house one that calls I know and Meriken there are a lot of people who are working and unless we get enough of them working in the same direction will.

 if Anna has said that she has awards and different traits but no one's ever seen them so.

 what I think you can see it's posted

I've seen her paperwork

yeah I've seen the paperwork too but.

 I iPhone into the paperwork I sent certified mail outside the country you can't send certified mail outside the country you can't do it so I'm very familiar with Georgiana jealous that matters overstated now they long as they reach their destination but the tracking ended when I left right in and she right she said she had tracking outside country

What about if you're fighting all the time saying it's registered mail masa registered is where you ensure mail or certified is just where you get a number for right that's correct that's correct so.

 I mean to someone.

 It's not that everyone no one else is done something that should work she's just as this actually we actually have an order in hand it's not some.

 A lot of people claim things but when it comes to show me you can't if it isn't produced okay that's the only difference I'm saying no one do an actual order against the government where a lot of people have a correct right and I'm not saying they they did things wrong I'm just they weren't successful people pregnant and now you love. a lot of people tried and a lot of people died

Have you seen Rod Class's material, Yes I've seen some of that.

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